>>CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING? CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING?>>YES. GO AHEAD.>>HOW ABOUT TWO WALLS.>>CONNECTED?>>NO, NO. NOT CONNECTED. TWO WALLS. ONE HERE. ONE THERE. IN BETWEEN, A MOAT.>>AND A NICE RESORT.>>FILLED WITH FIRE.>>THE QUICK ANSWER WOULD BE NO. BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO BE PROPERLY RESPECTFUL OF THE OFFICE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT HE IS SO DISRESPECTFUL OF THE OFFICE. IT IS VERY HARD TO PERCEIVE HIM AS I WOULD WANT TO PERCEIVE A PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF THEIR STATUS AND DIGNITY AND THE REPRESENTATION OF THE UNITED STATES. SO FOR SAFETY’S SAKE, IT WOULDN’T BE A GOOD IDEA.>>ALL THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE BEING ASKED, DO THEY THINK TRUMP IS A WHITE NATIONALIST? WHITE SUPREMACIST? HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? A, I’M NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. B, HE CALLS HIMSELF A NATIONALIST AND HE THINKS WE SHOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE FROM NORWAY AND LESS PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN COUNTRIES. SO I THINK IT IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE EQUATION TO SAY THAT’S WHITE NATIONALISM.>>YOU HAD IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE SHOW WAS GOING TO BE BEFORE YOU START. EVERYBODY DOES.>>I KIND OF HAD AN IDEA.>>THE THING PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND ABOUT STARTING A SHOW IS IT BECOMES SOMETHING, WHATEVER YOU THINK IT WILL BE, YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY START.>>MIKE TYSON SAID IT BEST. EVERYBODY HAS A PLAN UNTIL THEY GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.>>IT’S TRUE. YOU ARE DOING IT WITHOUT A NET IN FRONT OF A — EVERYBODY IS KOLTING ON IT.>>SURE.>>AT THIS TIME DOES SEEM LIKE YOU FOUND THE MISSION. THE THESIS. YOU DID THE LIVE SHOW ON SHOWTIME, ON ELECTION NIGHT.>>YEAH.>>TO ME THAT SEEMED THE TURNING POINT. IN YOUR MIND WAS IT?>>NO. THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THAT WAS CIGNA WAY AS A PERFORMER. THE LAST 11 MINUTES OR SO IS LARGELY IMPROVISED. OR I’M JUST SPEAKING.>>I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY EXHAUSTING, BRUISING ELECTION FOR EVERYONE.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>AND IT HAS COME TO AN ENDING THAT I DID NOT IMAGINE. WE ALL NOW FEEL THE WAY RUDY GIULIANI LOOKS.>>THAT WAS COMPLETELY EMOTIONALLY RAW AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW YOU’RE NOT LYING TO THEM. YOU’RE NOT SELLING THEM A BILL OF GOODS. THAT DOESN’T MEAN EVERY NIGHT IS A CONFESSION. IT JUST MEANS SOME EMOTIONAL TRUTH TO WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.>>THAT CAMERA IS A LITTLE PIECE OF GLASS AND I THINK IT TRANSMITS TRUTH AND AUTHENTICITY.>>RIGHT. AND AT THAT MOMENT I JUST RAN OUT OF BULL. NOT THAT I WAS TRYING TO, BUT IT WAS SUCH A STUNNING EVENT. IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY IMPOSSIBLE TO ME THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. WE CONSIDERED IT. I KNEW IF IT HAPPEN, THAT I WOULD HAVE A ROOMFUL OF VERY UPSET PEOPLE. I SAID WE’LL JUST IMPROVISE IF THAT HAPPENS. THAT LED TO AN AUTHENTIC RESPONSE THAT I THINK PEOPLE RESPONDED TO IT. THAT’S NOT WHEN I FOUND THE SHOW. WE FOUND IT MONTHS BEFORE. WHEN WE STARTED IT, EVERYBODY SAMPLED IT AND THEN RAN AWAY. AND WE WORKED OUR WAY BACK TO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. WHAT IS THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION? WHAT IS OUR OPINION FROM AN EMOTIONAL POINT OF VIEW? HOPEFULLY WITH SOME EMOTIONAL TRUTH. BECAUSE IT IS ON SOME LEVEL AN ART. ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT TODAY. MY FEAR WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE HAD FOUND IT, MOSTLY THROUGH THE LIVE SHOWS, EVEN DOING A SCENE FAST IF YOU’RE AN ACTOR BRINGS SOME SORT OF REALITY TO IT. MY CONCERN IS THAT NO ONE WOULD COME BACK. WE COULD HAVE FOUND THE WHOLE TREASURE. THAT NIGHT, I THINK, WHAT MADE ENOUGH OF A SPLASH, OH, THEY’RE DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING NOW. IT WASN’T THE NEW THING. AND THEN THE SHOW BASICALLY GOT PEOPLE, IT BUILT AN AUDIENCE AGAIN BETWEEN THAT AND INAUGURATION DAY. BY INAUGURATION DAY, PEOPLE WERE HUNGRY FOR SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS HOOPING A DAILY BASIS IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THE NEW THING HAPPENED SO FAST. IT WAS SO FAST. THE PRESIDENT IS THE PERSON THAT YOU RIGHTLY SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO. IT IS NOT LIKE WE’RE INDULGING SOME MADMAN. HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT IS RIGHT AND PROPER THAT YOU PAY ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING HE>>>YOU WROTE ME A LETTER AFTER MY MOM DIED. IN IT YOU SAID I HOPE YOU FIND PEACE IN YOUR GRIEF. ONE OF THE THINGS I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS HOW WE DOME TALK ABOUT GRIEF AND LOSS. PEOPLE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS CYNIC MY MOM DIED IS PEOPLE COMING UP TO ME ON THE STREET OR REACHING OUT TO ME ON INSTAGRAM OR WHEREVER AND SHARING THEIR GRIEF. SHARING THEIR LOSS WITH ME. AND I FOUND THAT THE MOST HELPFUL THING. I FOUND IT TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL AND MOVING THING. AND I KIND OF ODDLY DON’T WANT THAT TO STOP. IN REGULAR TIMES, PEOPLE DON’T DO THAT. AND YOU’VE SPOKEN VERY PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED AS A KID. AND I JUST, A LOT OF IT I DIDN’T KNOW. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T KNOW. SO I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE ABOUT IT AND HOW IT HAS SHAPED WHO YOU ARE NOW. YOUR DAD WAS KILLED IN A PLANE CRASH. YOU WERE 10 YEARS OLD ALONG WITH YOUR TWO BROTHERS, PETER AND PAUL. AND THEY WERE THE CLOSEST BROTHERS TO YOU IN AGE.>>RIGHT, 11. TIME YOUNGEST OF 11.>>MY DAD DIED WHEN I WAS 10, TOO. IT IS SUCH A HORRIBLE AGE TO LOSE A FATHER. I CAN’T MANNING LOSING BOTH MY BROTHERS AT THE SAME TIME AS WELL. FOR ME, LOSING MY DAD THEN, IT CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY IN MY LIFE. I’M A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN I WAS MEN TO BE. AND I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE TIMES I, YEAH, I’M, I FEEL LIKE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS 10, I FELT LIKE I MARKED TIME. TO THIS DAY I MARK TIME BETWEEN WHILE MY DAD WAS ALIVE AND AFTER. IT IS LIKE THE NEW YEAR ZERO. WHEN POLPOT TOOK OVER CAMBODIA.>>WITHOUT A DOUBT. WITHOUT A DOUBT. YEAH. THERE’S ANOTHER GUY. THERE IS ANOTHER STEVE. A STEVE COLBERT, THAT KID BEFORE MY FATHER AND BROTHERS DIED. AND IT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT. I HAVE FAIRLY VIVID MEMORIES FROM RIGHT AFTER THEY DIED TO THE PRESENT. IT’S CONTINUOUS AND CONTIGUOUS AND IT IS ALL CONNECTED. THERE IS A BIG BREAK IN THE CABLE OF MY MEMORY AT THEIR DEATH. EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT HAS AN ODD GHOSTLY — >>LIKE SHARDS OF GLASS. LIKE FLASHES.>>LITTLE BITS OF IT. AND THEN THE THING THAT, LIKE MUSIC. THEY DIED IN SEPTEMBER. THEY DIED ON SEPTEMBER 11th, 1974. THE MUSIC FROM THAT SUMMER LEADING UP TO IT WILL UNDO ME IN AN INSTANT. THE SONG OF THE SUMMER WAS BAND ON THE RUN. DO NOT PLAY BAND ON THE RUN AROUND ME. YES. YOU BECOME A DIFFERENT PERSON. LIKE I WAS PERSONALLY SHATTERED. AND THEN YOU KIND OF RE-FORM YOURSELF IN THIS QUIET, GRIEVING WORLD THAT WAS CREATED IN THE HOUSE. AND MY MOTHER HAD ME TO TAKE CARE OF, WHICH I THINK WAS SORT OF A GIFT FOR HER, I WAS THE LAST CHILD. BUT I ALSO HAD HER TO TAKE CARE OF. IT BECAME A VERY QUIET HOUSE. VERY DARK. AND ORDINARY CONCERNS OF CHILDHOOD SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED. I WON’T SAY MATURE. IT WAS DELAYED BY THE DEATH OF MY FATHER, BY RESTARTING AT 10. BUT I HAD A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN THE CHILDREN AROUND ME.>>THERE WAS A WRITING, MARY GORDON, WHO WRITES ABOUT IT. MY MOM USED TO QUOTE TO IT ME BUT I THINK IT APPLIES TO BOYS AS WELL. A FATHERLESS CHILD THINKS ALL THINGS POSSIBLE AND NOTHING IS SAFE. AND I NEVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN I WAS YOUNG. BUT I’VE COME TO UNDERSTAND IT.>>ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IN BOTH THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.>>GREAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN. THE PHONE CAN RING AND YOUR WHOLE LIFE CAN CHANGE FOR BETTER OR WORSE. BUT I BECAME WHAT I REFER TO JOKINGLY AS A CATASTROPHIST. I DIDN’T WANT TO BE HEART. I STARTED PLUNGING HEAD FIRST INTO THE THINGS THAT SCARED ME MOST. I WOULD TAKE SURVIVAL COURSES IN THE WILDERNESS TO KNOW THAT I COULD SURVIVE.>>I DID NOT HAVE THAT REACTION. I READ A LOT OF SCIENCE FICTION.>>BUT I HAVE HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU DO BELIEVE IN LIKE PUSHING TOWARD THINGS YOU ARE AFRAID OF. YOU TALKED ABOUT STANDING IN AN ELEVATOR AND HAVING AN AWKWARD EXPERIENCE INTENTIONALLY.>>THAT’S AWKWARD KNOW. I SUPPOSE THERE’S FEAR INVOLVED IN THAT BUT I, SO YOUR DAD DIES AND YOUR BROTHERS WHO ARE ALMOST AS BIG AS YOUR DAD BECAUSE THEY’RE YOUR OLDER BROTHERS. THEY HUNG THE MOON IN YOUR MIND. SO SUDDENLY THIS IMPORTANT THING DISAPPEARS. AND IMPORTANT THINGS SUDDENLY LOSE SOME OF THEIR POWER. IT DOESN’T MEAN YOU LOVE YOUR DAD OR YOUR BROTHERS ANY LESS BUT THINGS THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAVE STATUS DON’T HAVE STATUS ANYMORE. SO BEING WILLING TO BE RIDICULOUS OR NOT WORRYING WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT OF YOUR STATUS. SUDDENLY BECAME EASIER. AND ACTUALLY, SORT OF THE BITS OF EMBARRASSMENT THAT YOU MIGHT FEEL BEING IN PUBLIC. LIKE SINGING OUT LOUD IN AN ELEVATOR FULL OF STRANGERS. AN AWKWARD THING TO DO. I WOULD DO IT ON PURPOSE TO GET THE FEELING OF EMBARRASSMENT OR KIND OF DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL STATUS, THE PROTECTIVE FEELING THAT YOU HAVE TORSION STAY STRAIGHT AND TO STAY SORT OF IN CONTROL OR WELL THOUGHT OF. AND I WOULD PURPOSELY EMBRACE THE AWKWARD MOMENT OF EMBARRASSMENT AND IT WOULD RUN THROUGH ME LIKE AN ELECTRIC LITTLE CURRENT. AND I LIKE THAT FEELING. I THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH NOT THINKING THAT ANYTHING IS IMPORTANT INCLUDING MY OWN EMBARRASSMENT. THAT’S RELATED TO STATUS.>>I KNOW YOU’VE SAID THAT. SCHOOL DID NOT SEEM IMPORTANT AND SCHOOLS WOULD TRY TO — >>NO. I WAS LIKE A GOLDEN CHILD IN TERMS OF LIKE MY SCHOOL. AFTER THAT, I WAS LIKE, FORGET IT.>>YOU WERE READING A BOOK A DAY AT HOME.>>I WAS ESCAPING INTO FANTASY AND SCIENCE FICTION. SCIENCE FICTION FIRST AND THEN FANTASY LATER.>>YOU LOST YOUR TWO BROTHERS, YOUR DAD AND THE BOYS, AS I KNOW YOU REFER TO THEM.>>IT WAS ALWAYS DAD AND THE BOYS.>>THAT’S HOW THEY WERE CALLED. DAD AND THE BOYS. NOT PETER AND PAUL BUT DAD AND THE BOYS. AND MOST OF THE SIBLINGS HAD LEFT. THEY HAD FAMILIES OF THEIR OWN SO IT WAS JUST YOU AND YOUR MOM. THAT’S A DIFFICULT THING. I TALKED TO HOWARD SFWERN THIS AS WELL. HOWARD STERN SAID HE FELT LIKE TOWED TREAT HIS MOM LIKE A CHINA TEA CUP. I ALWAYS VIEWED MY MOM AS A SPACE ALIEN WHO HAD LANDED ON THE PLANET AND HER SHIP WAS IMMOBILIZED AND I HAD TO PROTECT HER AND SHOW HER HOW TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD. AND I FELT THAT UNTIL THE DAY SHE DIED. AND NOW I LOOK BACK AND I REALIZE, ONE OF MY MOM’S GREATEST STRENGTHS, AS A KID DROVE ME BANANAS, WAS HOW DESPITE TRAGEDIES AND LOSSES, SHE WAS, SHE CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE TO REMAIN OPEN AND VULNERABLE AND OPTIMISTIC AND BELIEVING THE BEST IN EVERYBODY SHE MET. I FELT LIKE, OKAY, SHE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I’M RUNNING INTERFERENCE AND I’M SCHEMING AND PLOTTING. AND WILLING — >>ANY CHANCE SHE WAS DOING IT BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE AND NEEDED A GOOD EXAMPLE?>>I DON’T THINK SHE THOUGHT IN THOSE TERMS, TO BE HONEST. MY MOM WAS AN AMAZING CREATURE.>>BECAUSE MY MOM WAS SO SHATTERED BY THE LOSS. NOT DESTROYED BUT SHATTERED BY THE LOSS. WE USED TO JOKE THAT I RAISED MY MOM.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT.>>IN SOME WAYS, IT STRUCK IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT A CHILD IS RESILIENT. THEIR WORLD VIEW IS NOT FULLY FORMED. NOW MY WORLD VIEW INCLUDES DAD AND YOUR BROTHERS. THAT’S PART OF THE WORLD VIEW. MY AGE NOW, AROUND THE AGE OF MY FATHER AND MY MOTHER WERE WHEN HE DIED. I AM NOT SURE IF I COULD BE AS RESILIENT. SO I DON’T ENTIRELY KNOW HOW SHE DID IT. I HAD A FRIEND WHO LOST SOMEONE RECENTLY. LOST A CHILD. AND SHE SAID HOW DID YOUR MOTHER DO THIS? AND I SAID I WISH SHE WAS HERE TO TELL YOU. IT HAD TO DO WITH HER LOVING GOD. I HAVE THE CRUCIFIX ON MY WALL THAT WAS HERS. I INHERITED IT WHEN SHE DIED. AND SHE WOULD PRAY TO OUR LADY AND SAY, SHE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO LOSE A CHILD. AND HER EXAMPLE OF HER FAITH STAYS WITH ME. AND THAT IS, WE’RE ASKED TO ACCEPT THE WORLD THAT GOD GIVES US AND TO ACCEPT IT WITH LOVE. IF GOD IS EVERYWHERE, AND GOD IS IN EVERYTHING, THEN THE WORLD AS IT IS IS ALL JUST AN EXPRESSION OF GOD AND HIS LOVE AND YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT WITH IT GRATITUDE. WHAT IS THE OPTION? WHAT IS THE OPTION>>>IT’S ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY AND SORT OF HEALED BY THE LAST TWO MONTHS IS JUST PEOPLE HAVING REAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ME ABOUT LOSS AND GRIEF AND THEIR PAIN. AND I FIND IT, YOU KNOW, WE PUSH ALL OF OUR EMOTIONS INSIDE AND PRETEND EVERYTHING IS GREAT. IT’S NICE TO ACTUALLY RELATE TO SOMEBODY AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS.>>I THINK WHEN YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD A LOSS, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS. ONE IS TO SAY, I’M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. WHICH IS A PERFECTLY LOVELY THING TO DO. BUT IF YOU CAN SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE, THEN THEY’RE NOT ALONE.>>IT IS ALWAYS INTERESTING TO ME WHEN YOU, I BRING IT UP. MEETING SOMEBODY FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THEY SAY, I’M SORRY TO BRING IT UP. AS IF, WHAT THEY DON’T REALIZE IS, I’M THINKING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. AS YOU SAY, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE OF MY ARMS. IT IS AN EXTENSION OF WHO I WILL.>>AND QUITE POSSIBLY THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.>>IT’S BEEN 31 YEARS SINCE MY BROTHER DIED. MORE SINCE MY DAD AND THERE’S NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY.>>SOMETIMES I THINK, WHY IS NOBODY ASKING ME ABOUT THIS? LIKE MY BROTHERS DIED 40 — 45 YEARS AGO AND SOMETIMES I GO, HOW COME NOBODY IS ASKING ME ABOUT PAUL? BUT HOW WOULD THEY KNOW TO ASK? THEY DON’T KNOW I’M THINKING ABOUT HIM.>>AND THEY WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO ASK. THIS WILL SOUND WEIRD BUT FOR A LONG TIME, AND PROBABLY STILL TO THIS DAY, I WISH THAT I HAD A SCAR. I WISH I HAD LIKE A SCAR.>>HARRY POTTER.>>MORE LIKE A BOND VILLAIN. RUNNING DOWN MY EYE ON MY FACE THAT IS UNAVOIDABLE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE BECAUSE IT WOULD SORT OF, IT WOULD BE A SILENT SIGNAL TO EVERYBODY I MEET THAT I’M NOT THE PERSON I WAS MEN TO BE. OR I’M NOT THE PERSON THAT I STARTED OUT BEING.>>BUT YOU’RE ENTIRELY THE PERSON YOU WERE MEANT TO BE.>>MAYBE NOT. THIS IS A WARPED VERSION.>>SO THERE IS ANOTHER TIME LINE WITH A HAPPIER ANDERSON COOPER?>>YEAH. I MEAN, NO, IT DOESN’T EXIST IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.>>THAT’S WHAT I MEAN. MY EXPERIENCE IS THE EXAMPLE OF MY MOTHER AND FROM WHAT I READ AND EXPERIENCE OF MY PARTICULAR FAITH. EXTREMELY IMPERFECTLY. THERE IS NOT ANOTHER TIME LINE. THIS IS IT. AND THE BRAVEST THING YOU CAN DO IS TO ACCEPT WITH GRATITUDE THE WORLD AS IT IS. AND THEN AS GANDALF SAYS, SO ARE ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUCH TIMES.>>YOU TOLD AN INTERVIEWER THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED, TO YOUR WORDS, LOVE THE THING THAT I MOST WISH HAD NOT HAPPENED.>>I DON’T REMEMBER THAT.>>YOU WENT ON TO SAY, WHAT PUNISHMENTS OF GOD ARE NOT GIFTS. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?>>YES. IT’S A GIFT TO EXIST. AND WITH EXISTENCE COMES SUFFERING. THERE IS NO ESCAPING THAT. I GUESS I’M EITHER A CATHOLIC OR A BUDDHIST WHEN I SAY THOSE THINGS. I’VE HEARD THEM FROM BOTH TRADITIONS. BUT I DID NOT LEARN IT, THAT I WAS GRATEFUL FOR THE THING I MOST WISH HADN’T HAPPENED. IS THAT I REALIZED IT. AND IT IS AN ODDLY GUILTY FEELING.>>IT DOESN’T MEAN YOU’RE HAPPY ABOUT IT.>>I WANT IT TO NOT HAVE HAPPENED. BUT IF YOU ARE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR LIFE, WHICH SIT A POSITIVE THING TO DO, NOT EVERYBODY IS AND I’M NOT ALWAYS. BUT IT IS THE MOST POSITIVE THING TO DO. THEN YOU HAVE TO BE GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF IT. YOU CAN’T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU’RE GRATEFUL FOR. AND THEN, SO WHAT DO YOU GET FROM LOSS? YOU GET AWARENESS OF OTHER PEOPLE’S LOSS WHICH ALLOWS TO YOU CONNECTION WITH THAT OTHER PERSON WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO LOVE MORE DEEPLY AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A HUMAN BEING IF IT IS TRUE THAT ALL HUMANS SUFFER. AND SO AT A YOUNG AGE, I SUFFERED SOMETHING SO THAT BY THE TIME I WAS IN SERIOUS RELATIONSHIPS IN MY LIFE, WITH FRIENDS OR WITH MY WIFE OR MY CHILDREN, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY IS SUFFERING. AND HOWEVER IMPERFECTLY, ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR SUFFERING AND TO CONNECT WITH THEM AND TO LOVE THEM IN A DEEP WAY. THAT NOT ONLY ACCEPTS THAT ALL OF US SUFFER BUT ALSO THEN MAKES YOU HAVE SUFFERED SO YOU CAN KNOW THAT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. IT’S THE FULLNESS OF YOUR HUMANITY. YOU CAN BE A BAD PERSON AND THE MOST HUMAN. I WANT TO BE THE MOST HUMAN I CAN BE AND THAT INVOLVES ACKNOWLEDGING AND ULTIMATELY BEING GRATEFUL FOR THE THINGS THAT I WISH DIDN’T HAPPEN, BECAUSE THEY GAVE ME A GIFT.>>ONE OF THE THINGS HMY MOM WOULD OFTEN SAY, I NEVER ASK WHY ME, LIKE WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO ME. SHE WOULD ALWAYS SAY WHY NOT ME? WHY WOULD ME BE EXEMPT FROM WHAT HAS BEFALLEN COUNTLESS OTHERS OVER THE CENTURIES. I THINK THAT’S ANOTHER THING THAT HAS HELPED ME THINK, YEAH, OF COURSE, WHY NOT ME. THIS IS PART OF BEING ALIVE. THIS IS THE SUFFERING IS, YOU KNOW, THE SADNESS, SUFFERING, THESE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN’T HAVE HAPPINESS WITHOUT HAVING LOSS AND SUFFERING.>>AND IN MY TRADITION THAT’S THE GREAT GIFT OF THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST IS THAT GOD DOES IT, TOO, THAT YOU’RE REALLY NOT ALONE. GOD DOES IT, TOO.>>I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ONCE, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON’T PROSELYTIZE BECAUSE — SOMETHING ABOUT IT WAS THAT YOU DON’T PROSELYTIZE, MORE JESUS FOR ME.>>I DON’T REALLY PROSELYTIZE. I DON’T NECESSARILY WANT TO MAKE ANYBODY FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, MORE JESUS FOR ME. HERE AT THE OLD HEAVEN BUFFET, THOUGH I DON’T ACTUALLY — I DON’T EVEN HAVE A WELL DEFINED ENOUGH COSMOLOGY TO HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT GIFTS OF GOD, WHAT PUNISHMENTS OF GOD ARE NOT GIFTS. I’M QUOTING TOLKEN THERE, THAT’S NOT ME. THERE ARE ELVES AND MEN, THE ONE GOD WITHIN THE TOLKEN MYTHOS.>>AND THE ELVES LIVE FOREVER.>>WHO DO WE KNOW IS AN EXPERT OF “LORD OF THE RINGS”?>>I’M TALKING ALL OF TOLKEN. I KNEW I WAS PREPARING MYSELF FOR SOMETHING. WHY ELSE WOULD I ABANDON ALL MY CLASSWORK AND SPORTS?>>YOUR MOM WAS AN ACTRESS.>>YES, SHE WAS GOING TO CARNEGIE.>>SHE WAS THEN IN HAITI FOR REASONS I’M NOT SURE — >>I THINK IT WAS HAITI. IT WAS IN THE CARIBBEAN.>>AND SHE GOT REALLY SICK WITH A TROPICAL DISEASE. >>SHE GOT LIKE CLASSICAL LIKE A RARE TROPICAL DISEASE, ALMOST LIKE A CARTOON OF A DISEASE AND SHE ALMOST DIED.>>IN THAT PROCESS OF RECOVERY ENDED UP — >>MY DAD SAID WILL YOU MARRY ME AND INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ACTING CAREER, SHE STARTED HER OWN THEATER COMPANY, WHICH WAS 11 CHILDREN.>>THAT’S HOW IT WAS. DID HER DESIRE TO ACT, WHICH WAS THEN GIVEN UP TO HAVE THIS FAMILY, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ABSORBED?>>IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY MOTIVATORS, THAT ME WITH MY MOM/LORD BUDDY IN A WAY, WE BECAME VERY CLOSE FRIENDS, THAT I WOULD DO THIS IN SOME WAY FOR HER, BUT IT’S SELF-EVIDENT, RIGHT? DID NOT OCCUR TO ME. DID NOT OCCUR TO ME FOR MANY YEARS. IT REALLY WASN’T UNTIL SHE DIED THAT I REALIZED A LOT OF WHAT I DID WAS STILL GOING BACK TO MAKING HER HAPPY IF FROM THOSE EARLY YEARS AFTER DAD AND THE BOSTON DIED. WE REMEMBER DISTINCTLY WHEN SHE LEFT FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT WAS LIKE A YEAR LATER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT’S INSIDE OF YOU AS A YOUNG PERSON. YOU ABSORB THAT AND DIGEST THAT BUT AREN’T NECESSARILY AWARE OF THAT UNTIL MUCH LATER. WHEN MY SISTER MARY SAID A VERY INTERESTING THING AFTER MOM DIED IS THAT WE WERE ALL GOING THROUGH THIS NORMAL GRIEF OF MY MOTHER’S DEATH AND, AS I SAID, AFTER SHE DIED LIKE WE WERE SO LUCKY TO HAVE HER FOR SO LONG –>>SHE WAS 92 YOU SAID.>>92, EXACTLY. IT MIGHT SEEM SELFISH TO WANT MORE OF SOMEONE YOU’VE KNOWN SO LONG BUT IT MERELY AMPLIFIES THE ENORMITY OF THE ROOM, WHOSE DOOR IS NOW SO QUIETLY SHUT. YOU CAN’T EVER OPEN THAT DOOR AGAIN. ON TOP OF THAT WE REALIZED, OH, NOW WE ALSO LOST DAD AND THE BOYS. IN SOME WAYS WE WERE HERE FOR HER BECAUSE OF HER LOSS FOR HER HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. WHEN SHE WENT, SHE KIND OF TOOK THEM WITH HER IN A WAY. SO WE ALL, OR AT LEAST I AND I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTER ABOUT THIS BUT I ASSUME IT’S A FAIRLY GENERAL THING, KIND OF REEXPERIENCE THAT AND THERE HAD BEEN THIS DELAYED DEALING OVER 40-PLUS YEARS. I REALIZED IN THAT MOMENT, OH, DAMN, I WONDER IF I WANT TO STILL DO COMEDY BECAUSE I KIND OF WAS DOING THIS FOR MHER. STILL ENJOYING IT AND HAVING TH TALK TO YOU ABOUT.>>SOME OF THE GOTCHAS.>>YEAH.>>THE GOTCHA QUESTIONS.>>KEN CUCCINELLI.>>OH, MY GOD! I BLAME YOU FOR KEN CUCCINELLI.>>HE WAS ON CNN.>>HE WAS ON A LOT. I DIDN’T WATCH MUCH WHEN HE WAS ON. I LOVE YOUR SHOW. EVERY NIGHT I COME HOME. MY WIFE AND I HAVE A GLASS OF WINE, A HANDFUL OF NUTS, WATCH A LITTLE ANDERSON AND GO TO BED. THAT’S HOW I END MY DAY.>>A HANDFUL OF NUTS?>>YOU’RE NOT GOING TO STAY IN THE SUIT. I GO HOME AND VEG OUT. THERE ARE A FEW PANELISTS I HAVE TO SKIP OVER. I HAVE TO SKIP OVER. CUCCINELLI WOULD BE ONE OF THEM.>>IF ANY OTHER PERSON IN AN ADMINISTRATION, A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, HAD REWRITTEN THE WORDS OF EMA LAZARUS’S POEM WHICH PRESIDENTS FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL HAVE QUOTED WITH GREAT REVERENCE, IT WOULD BE AN OUTRAGE. IT WOULD BE, PEOPLE’S HEADS WOULD EXPLODE UNDERSTANDABLY. IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL BED ROCK MARKER OF WHO WE ARE.>>YES. THERE’S OUR PHYSICAL CONSTITUTION AND THEN OUR PHYSICAL BILL OF RIGHTS. THE PHYSICAL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. BUT ALSO AN EMOTIONAL CONSTITUTION THAT AMERICA HAS. AN EMOTIONAL REALITY THAT WE ALL SHARE THAT MAKES US ALL AMERICANS. AND ONE IS THE NEW COLOSSUS, THE POEM WRITTEN ON THE STATUE OF LIBERTY. AND WE’RE CONSTANTLY BEING TOLD BY THIS ADMINISTRATION, YOU DON’T SEE WHAT YOU SEE. YOU DON’T HEAR WHAT YOU HEAR. NOW THEY’RE SAYING YOU DON’T FEEL WHAT YOU FEEL. YOU DON’T ACTUALLY FEEL THAT. YOU DON’T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS.>>YOU CALLED PRESIDENT TRUMP A HAIR PARTICULAR TO REALITY.>>A HAIR PARTICULAR TO REALITY. RAISED CATHOLIC. THE GREATEST SIN IS ACTUALLY HERESY. NOT ONLY DO YOU, NOT ONLY ARE YOU ASTRAY FROM THE RIGHT PATH, YOU’RE INVITING, ENCOURAGING OTHER PEOPLE TO COME WITH YOU ON THAT PATH. SPECIFICALLY IT IS LIKE PRESSLY TIESING FOR THE DEVIL. IT IS RED HOT INFERNO. I THINK IT IS CALLED DIS, THE LEVEL OF HELL THEY’RE IN.>>DOESN’T GET MUCH WORSE.>>THE WORST SPA TREATMENT.>>YEAH.>>AND HE IS, OUR PRESIDENT, WANTS TO LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD WHERE ONLY THE WAY HE PERCEIVES THE WORLD IS THE WAY IT IS. THE ONLY THINGS THAT SERVE HIS VISION AND HE’S TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT IS THE ONLY WORLD THAT EXISTS. HE IS ALSO TRYING TO INVITE US INTO THIS MADNESS THAT HE HAS. THAT’S HERESY AGAINST REALITY. THAT IS GOING FOR THE MOST SELFISH AND BASEST INSTINCTS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE ALL PEOPLE, HAVE. BUT HE IS NOT APPEALING TO THE BETTER ANGELS OF OUR NATURE.>>I’VE HEARD YOU STAY THESIS OF YOUR SHOW IS HEY, YOU’RE NOT CRAZY.>>RIGHT. THE AUDIENCE IS NOT CRAZY. HOW YOU FEEL IS ACTUALLY HOW YOU FEEL. HOW YOU THINK AND HOW YOU THINK. WHAT YOU HEAR IS WHAT HE SAID.>>I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE APPEAL WITH NEWS, WHAT WE DO EVERY NIGHT. PEOPLE, AT A CERTAIN POINT, GET EXHAUSTED.>>I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. HOW DO YOU DO IT EVERY NIGHT? I HAVE THE RELIEF OF DOING JOKES AND I’M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE RIDICULIST. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW. I HAD TO GO THERE.>>BUT STILL — >>HOW DO YOU KEEP GOING?>>EVEN THOUGH YOU’RE IN COMEDY, YOU ARE STILL DOING THE SAME PACE THAT WE ARE IN NEWS.>>WE DO FIVE NIGHTS A WEEK. AN HOUR A NIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>AND IN COMEDY YOU NORMALLY, PEOPLE SPEND ALL DAY, OR IN SOME CASES, IF THEY ONLY HAVE ONE SHOW A WEEK, ALL WEEK, WRITING THE MATERIAL AND THINKING AND IT HONING IT. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE STUFF 15 MINUTES BEFORE AIR, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE AIR.>>RIGHT. WE HAVE A FEELING FOR WHAT IT WILL BE IN THE MORNING. WHAT THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I’M NOT HERE TO EDUCATE THE AUDIENCE. I’M HERE TO GIVE OUR OPINION. LIKE LONG EDITORIAL. AND THAT CAN ALL BE THROWN OUT THE WINDOW EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A PLAN STARTING AT 10:30 IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN. MANY IS THE TIME, AS YOU KNOW, AND IT IS ONLY ACCELERATING. AT 4:30, AND I GO ON AT 5:30. 5:00. CHOPPER TALK.>>CHOPPER TALK?>>CHOPPER TALK. THE PRESIDENT IS STANDING IN FRONT OF MARINE ONE. CHOPPER TALK. HE SHOULD JUST STAND IN FRONT OF A MARGARITA MAKER. THE SAME NOISE.>>WELL, YEAH.>>AT LEAST THERE WOULD BE A COCKTAIL IN FRONT OF IT.>>DO YOU SEE THAT? YOU HAVE A HELICOPTER.>>OH! OH, REALLY? THAT? THAT’S A HELICOPTER? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE SOUND OF YOUR PRESIDENCY GOING DOWN THE TOILET. I WASN’T SURE.>>THE PACE OF IT, I THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP, DOROTHY PARKER. THOSE BORN TO THE STORM FIND THE CALM VERY BORING. I DON’T KNOW WHY HE WAS BORN TO THE STORM BUT THAT CHAOS — >>HE CREATES HIS OWN STORM. HE TAKES A BIG BUCKET OF SEA WATER, THROWS IT IN HIS OWN FACE AND SAYS, I’M A SEA CAPTAIN. WE’RE GOING TO RIDE IT OUT, BOYS. THROW ANOTHER BUCKET.>>I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT EVERYBODY AROUND HIM JUST HOW EXHAUSTING IT MUST BE TO BE IN THAT ORBIT. I MEAN — >>LIKE EVERY PERSON WHO LEAVES GOES, GOD, IT’S CRAZY IN THERE.>>RICK WILSON, A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST WHO WE HAVE ON THE SHOW WROTE A BOOK CALLED EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES, DIES. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT’S A REALLY INTERESTING TITLE. IT REMINDS ME OF ROGUE AND X-MEN. EVERYTHING SHE TOUCHES SUCKS THE LIFE’S BLOOD OUT OF YOU AND KILLS YOU. DO YOU EVER WORRY ABOUT IT?>>THE THING IS IT IS NOT JUST THE PEOPLE SHE KISSED WHO DIE. IT IS PEOPLE WHO GO AGAINST HER. AND THERE AREAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY DESTROYED THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO GONE AFTER TRUMP THAT THEY THEMSELVES, IT BLOWS BACK UP. THEY’VE GONE DOWN TO HIS LEVEL.>>I’M NOT GOING AGAINST HIM. I AM NOT THE RESISTANCE. I SAID THIS THE FIRST NIGHT AFTER HE WAS ELECTED. I THINK IT WAS THE NEXT DAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE NEXT DAY, A LITTLE TOO LATE. THERE WERE MARCHES IN ALL THE STREETS. PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WAIT, NO, WE CARE. A DAY AFTER IT MATTERED. AND I THINK WHAT I SAID AT THE TOP, WE’RE NOT, THIS IS NOT THE RESISTANCE. THIS IS ALTERNATIVE PROGRAMMING. BECAUSE COULD I FORESEE LIKE THE MADNESS. AND THE HEART BREAK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT GUY BEING IN A VERY IMPORTANT MORAL POSITION. AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO POINT AND LAUGH AT WHAT HE THINKS IS HIS OWN ON ASSAILABLE DIGNITY THAT HE THINKS HE GETS FROM THAT OFFICE. THAT’S NOT RESISTING. THAT’S LAUGHING. AND NOT THE SAME THING. I’M NOT A POLITICAL FIGURE.>>IT IS INTERESTING. THE WHOLE NOTION OF PEOPLE LAUGHING AT HIM IS SOMETHING HE HAS BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I’M SURE YOU’VE DONE MONTAGES OF THIS. IT IS A RECURRING THEME TO SAY UNDER OBAMA, THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT US. THEY’RE NOT LAUGHING ANYMORE. THEY’RE NOT LAUGHING NOW. THE IRONY IS THEY ARE LAUGHING. YOU CAN GO BACK AND FIND A DOZEN EASY REFERENCES. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM IN HIS MIND THAT HE’S BEEN BEING LAUGHED AT. WHICH IS WHY PROBABLY YOUR SHOW, HE HAS DESCRIBED YOU AS THE SAYING FILTHY THINGS.>>THAT’S THE MOST I’VE BEEN ABLE TO GET HIM TO SAY ABOUT ME. DOES HE TWEET ABOUT YOU?>>NO. AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE HAS NOT.>>I HAVE YET TO GET HIM TO TWEET ABOUT ME ONCE.>>REALLY?>>YEAH. MY FEELINGS ARE A LITTLE HURT.>>THE GUY ON CBS IS — WHAT A LOW LIFE. WHAT A LOW LIFE. I MEAN, THIS GUY ON CBS HAS NO TALENT.>>HEY! MR. PRESIDENT, I WILL NOT STAND HERE AND LET YOU TALK THAT WAY ABOUT JAMES GORDON.>>ONE OF THE THINGS I READ THAT YOUR MOM USED TO SAY TO YOU AS A KID WAS, WITH ANY HARDSHIP YOU WERE GOING THROUGH, TO VIEW IT IN THE LIGHT OF ETERNITY. I FOUND IT REALLY INTERESTING. I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT THE LAST COUPLE DAYS. HOW DO YOU THINK, I WON’T SAY ETERNAL BUT HISTORY WILL VIEW THIS PRESIDENT?>>YOU HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT?>>OH, NO. GEORGE W. BUSH LEFT WITH LOW RATINGS, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAFETY OPINION POLLS.>>I QUESTION YOUR RESEARCH ON THAT ONE. IF OUR NEXT PRESIDENT IS A SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM, THEN TRUMP WILL LOOK GREAT. SOME SORT OF SLIME MOLD. I DON’T THINK SO.>>>THERE’S A BELIEF AMONG SOME DEMOCRATS AND I GUESS MAYBE EVEN A FEW REPUBLICANS SAYING THAT THERE WILL REACH A POINT OF CRITICAL MASS WHERE PEOPLE LFD ENOUGH.>>I THINK WE VOTE IN 2020 AND WE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY. WE FOUND OUT SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT OUR COUNTRY IN 2016. AND I THINK WHAT WE FIND OUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THERE IS A LARGE GROUP OF AMERICANS, I DON’T EVEN THINK IT IS NECESSARILY DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN. THERE IS A LARGE GROUP OF AMERICANS WHO THINK THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE A COMPLETE JERK. HE SHOULD NOT BE SOMEBODY THAT YOU NECESSARILY ADMIRE. LOOK, A GUY WILLING TO WORK ON THE DARK SIDE AND GET THINGS DONE.>>I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST LIKE THE FACT THAT HE IS, THAT YOU’RE UPSET ABOUT HIM AND THAT WE’RE COVERING HIM.>>SURE. I’M FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM DRINKING TEARS. IT’S A HUGE PRICE TO PAY.>>HE’S A TOUGH GUY WHO DOESN’T TAKE ANY GUFF AND NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT AND THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE THAT. THEY CAN’T THAT BE WAY IN THEIR OWN LIFE.>>BUT THOSE AREN’T POLICY POSITIONS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO, PERHAPS, PERHAPS FOR REAL REASONS FEEL LIKE THEY’VE BEEN MADE TO SUFFER IN SOME WAY AND THEN THEY USE HIM AS A TOOL TO INFLICT SUFFERING ON OTHERS.>>THERE IS, THE PRESIDENT, CONSERVATIVES USED TO MAKE FUN OF LIBERALS FOR VICTIM HOOD. THAT THEY WERE ALWAYS PORTRAYING THEMSELVES AS VICTIMS, ACCORDING TO CONSERVATIVES. NOW DONALD TRUMP, HE IS PROMOTING A SENSE OF VICTIM HOOD THAT IS, SEEMS APPEALING TO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE LISTENING TO HIM. THAT HE AND THEY ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED BECAUSE HE IS SUCH A STRONG CHRISTIAN. THAT’S WHY THE IRS IS AUDITING HIM. NO PROOF ACTUALLY OFFERED.>>SURE. I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT’S ONE OF THE APPEALS OF DONALD TRUMP. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL — STRANGELY FEEL THEY ARE LIKE HIM. OR THAT HE IS LIKE THEM. WHEN I DON’T KNOW ANYONE LIKE HIM. BUT HE SAYS, YOU AND ME ARE THE SAME AND I AM BEING VICTIMIZED. THEREFORE I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPERIENCE. BUT A, HE’S BEEN BEING VICTIMIZED AND HE IS LIKE NO ONE. HE’S BORN WITH A GOLD SPOON IN HIS MOUTH. MAYBE HE IS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I SUPPOSE THERE IS A COMMONALITY. BUT THE ODD THING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IS THAT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM. WE DON’T KNOW STUPID THINGS. SCHOOL GRADES, WE DON’T KNOW HIS ACTUAL SKIN COLOR OR WHAT HIS ACTUAL HAIR IS LIKE, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE’S WORTH. WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER WORLD LEADERS. WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM. THAT’S THE ODD PART. EXCEPT FOR A GUY WHO ALWAYS LIKES TO HAVE A CAMERA POINT AT HIM AND ALWAYS LIKES TO TALK ABOUT HIMSELF. THERE’S VERY LITTLE WE CAN SAY WITH CERTAINTY.>>ON A SERIOUS LEVEL, DOES IT WORRY YOU, IT WORRIES ME ABOUT ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR BEING NORMALIZED.>>AT MARKETING. REALLY GOOD AT MARKETING A SINGLE IDEA OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND I’M SURE THE CHALLENGE FOR REAL NEWS IS TO FACT CHECK HIM MORE THAN TWICE. THE THIRD FACT CHECK SOUNDS LIKE —