Welcome to The Daily Show. Thank you very much! How-how are things going
in life? Are you– are you afraid?
Are you stressed right now? Are you– I mean, because you
are, according to Forbes, a man who is a billionaire worth $51.7 billion. -(cheering)
-Uh, Elizabeth Warren, I’ve heard,
is coming for you. Are-are you afraid? How-how are you feeling
about this whole thing? Is there a war
on the billionaires or how do you feel about it? I think there’s
a great discussion to be had about who should pay
how much taxes. Uh, I personally would be fine
with paying more. -And yet the most…
-(cheering) -Hold on! Hold on!
-H-Hold on. He hasn’t said how much.
(laughs) -Yes, and yet the most…? -I
think the most important thing, frankly, is that people
just get the numbers. -Look at what’s going on today
-Right. and then you can almost,
like, assign a quota. -You should pay this much tax,
you should pay that. -Uh-huh. But it’s got to be based
on what we want to do. What do we want to do
with the money? How much? -Who can pay? What other
expenses can we cut? -Right. Just-just get it right. And then the will of the people
will decide what should happen. -And I’ll be okay with it.
-That’s really interesting… -Whatever it is. -Yeah,
’cause you’ve always been one of the people who said–
you’ve said, “Hey, “I don’t agree with this idea
that the government “can make the money it needs
just by cutting costs. “But, at the same time,
government has to do “a better job of using the taxes
that it collects. And as a billionaire,
I’m willing to pay more.” So you’re not afraid in life?
You’re not, like, stressed every day?
You’re not, like, waking up in the middle of the night,
like, “Elizabeth!” I wake up stressed! Every day! Are we gonna win tonight?! -Oh, is that– Okay.
-(cheering) -Let’s talk about… -But-but I
don’t– I don’t have any issues -on the other front.
-I feel like– That’s good. I feel like–
I feel like the Clippers, now, more than ever,
are not stressed. You have Kawhi Leonard
on your team. You have an excitement in L.A. that I have never seen before. This-this is really
a momentous occasion, and you’re getting ready
to build an arena for the L.A. Clippers, which– please correct me
if I’m wrong here– apparently, you’re designing it
so that, like, the players
can hear the crowd more. Like, the roar goes
into the court. We want it to be
the most intense, hard-core, high-energy basketball junkies
building in the world. -(applause)
-I-I like the idea. But I was thinking.
I was worried. Like, what if, acoustically,
it works too well and then, like, the players can just hear,
like, someone just talking in, like, the stands?
And the person’s like, “Hey, honey, pass the ketchup.”
And then the guy’s like, “Pass? Wait, who said that?” And then,
like, it could throw it off. You’re also doing– you’re also
doing, like, augmented reality. I don’t understand what that
means. You’re saying, like, you’re gonna put people
in the game. But how? What does that mean?
What are you gonna do? We, uh, uh,
set a technology today. -You watch the game,
and in real time… -Uh-huh. it’ll give you probability
that somebody’ll make a shot -based upon where
people are standing… -Wow. who it is, is it a good shot,
what you can expect out of that. It’ll diagram the plays
that are going on. -Real time on the floor.
-This is live. Wow. We’ve got this live today. Because of rights,
we’re in alpha, -or beta test still.
-Right, right, right. But the stuff exists today. You know, there’s limited stuff
that does this today. There really is
no first down marker… in football, on the field. It gets painted in
by a computer. -That’s… -It’s that concept
on steroids. Oh. I-I thought someone just
ran out and did it every… -(laughter) -You’re teaching us
things here, Steve. Teaching us things. Um, let’s talk about the
big reason you’re here today. Let’s talk about USAFacts. It feels like
we live in a world today where facts are no longer
a thing. It feels like, more and more,
people want to live in silos where they believe
what they believe, and a fact is something
that can be determined by the person who is absorbing
the information. You’ve created a website
that is geared towards facts. What is USAFacts? USAFacts.org is a website. I got into this
four or five years ago, and I just wanted to understand
who pays how much taxes, -what does the money
get spent on… -Mm-hmm. -and what are the outcomes
we get for all of that. -Right. And it was impossible to find. So I started just
splunking around, uh, trying to understand. My wife had made a comment about
where our taxes go or don’t go. Couldn’t do it.
Got into it, and said, “Hey, I should share this
with other people.” It’s very interesting
to understand. -And by the numbers, by the
numbers. -Right, right, right. You know, part of the problem
with words is they’re partisan. Numbers don’t know how
to be partisan, if you will. -Uh-huh. Uh-huh. -And, uh,
we’ve been pursuing it, you know, ever since. We’ve published
“Annual Report,” by the numbers of government in the United States now
for three years. Right. It’s interesting,
because it’s… it’s-it’s a nonpartisan effort
that you’ve put together, where you’ve gone… This data comes
from the government. It’s compiled from different
government departments, and it’s factual information, but nobody knows how
to compile it until now. Like, you’ve gone and said,
“Hey, if you want to know “how much is being spent
on schools “in this district,
you can find that. “If you want to know how much
is being spent on immigration “or what is… what your money’s
being used for, “what the government’s wasting
on, spending on, etcetera, you can use this website.” What have you learned, though,
from the website? Is there anything
that has changed your mind -about how America works?
-Yeah. There’s a number of things
that have really prompted me. If you had said to me, uh, five years ago, “Who really pays how much taxes
in the U.S.?,” -I wouldn’t have been able
to tell you. -Right. I wouldn’t have been able
to tell you there are people who pay more
in taxes right now -than they earn in income.
That’s true. -Wow. And then they get benefited,
also, by transfers -that come from the government.
-Right, right, right. And you can decide
whether you think, -you know, whether that’s a
great situation or not. -Right. We let our… our users decide
what they decide -on policy. -So you just
give them the facts. Right. We’ll give you the facts,
and you can decide what’s good or bad.
I’ll give you another one. Only 33% of third graders… of, uh, eighth graders–
sorry– in this country are proficient in math. -33%?
-33. 33%. But it’s up. -Oh.
-(laughter) It’s up over the last several… -Yay?
-Well, somebody here look at it -Okay.
-and say, “Progress is good!” -Right, right, right.
-Some… But that’s a judgment. -But education spending
at the same time… -Right. inflation-adjusted,
more than double. That’s actually interesting. So, you’ve basically created
this site because you wanted
to break through the whole partisan breaking down
of what news is and just go, “Here’s a fact.” A person at home can decide
what that fact means. Some of the more interesting,
uh, polls that you’ve conducted, though, on USAFacts
have-have-have…. have illuminated a few things. So, for instance, um,
you’ve conducted some– we have a few of these slides
here that we can pull up now, like, um,
some of the data facts. If you can pull that up,
their poll. Like for instance, how much do you trust
information from the president? Republicans: 40%. Right? Democrats: Five percent. And then if you see,
like, the “not at all” is, like, a big flip–
Republicans are like, “No.” Only 15% say not at all.
But 61% of Dems… But, I mean, that’s a big…
If you look at the next slide, for instance, we have another
one that’s really interesting. How much do you trust
each source? Republicans don’t trust
public TV or radio, and they don’t trust
national TV news. And in the next slide–
this one is even… even a little bit more
disconcerting. What makes a fact
likely to be true? If it’s verified by scientists,
Republicans are like, “No.” Only 40%. Democrats are 72% . Verified by academics,
30% to 57%. So… so… this is just information that
you’re compiling for people. You don’t even give anybody
an opinion on this. We do not. We explicitly
don’t give opinions. Now, this was a poll we ran,
as you pointed out. Everything else we do
is government data. -But we need to know
what we’re doing. -Right. Just take even the thing
about academics and scientists, -’cause you can react
one way or another. -Right. The truth of the matter is,
a lot of what you see out of economists is forecasts. And on every forecast,
you’ll see one on the right and one on the left, and
they’ll say different things. I don’t know
what you would think. At Microsoft,
I didn’t believe the forecasts. -Uh-huh. -I only believed
what had actually happened. So all of these things
have context, and that’s why we have to share
what actually happened. -There’s a quote I’d like to
give you from Madison. -Mm-hmm. Something to the effect of:
A popular government without popular information
or the ability to go get it is a prologue to a… a farce or, even worse,
a tragedy. -Hmm. And so that’s…
-I mean, that’s… the facts sort of start there
with Madison. So if I were to say to you,
“Steve Ballmer, “as somebody who’s been part
of this USAFacts, “what do you hope
Americans would achieve by going to this website?” What do you just want people
to get from the website? Because it is free,
it is nonpartisan, it is… it’s just facts
that are compiled, but what are you hoping
it will achieve? I hope we can get to a point
with not as much polarization, civilized dialogue. -People can disagree about what
to do… -(applause, cheering) but at least…
at least be in the same place. We… we have a little fun thing
coming out here soon for Thanksgiving. You’re gonna sit around
a table with relatives -and people are gonna disagree,
-Uh-huh. Right. and they’re gonna want to scream
and yell at each other, so we have a Thanksgiving
fact sheet from USAFacts. Pull it out on your phone
and you can say, “I’ll get you the real data
on that subject.” -Boom! Special.
-Oh, wow. Oh, wow. -For Thanksgiving holiday.
-Well, there you have it. Thanksgiving
will never be the same. -Thank you so much for being
on the show. -Thank you. You can check out all the data
at USAFacts.org. Steve Ballmer, everybody.