who did you most want to hear from last night after the president's State of the Union address and I'm sure you wanted to hear from Rachel as we all did and we heard from her immediately on this network and I'm sure many of you probably wanted to hear from the most famous freshman in the House of Representatives since John Quincy Adams congresswoman Alexander Ocasio Cortez and we heard from her an interview on NBC News and also here on MSNBC but there were two people we did not hear from last night who I really really wanted to hear from and we're going to hear from them tonight our first two guests as I listened to the president describing North Korea as a tamed adversary ready to give up its nuclear weapons and then describe Iran as the most dangerous country in the world I really wanted to hear from the person who worked on both of those issues up close in previous administrations Wendy Sherman has experienced dealing with North Korea and the the challenge represented by the possibility of nuclear weapons in Iran as Undersecretary of State she was in the room every day during the negotiations of the Iran deal that the Obama administration completed which President Trump specifically attacked last night no analysis of that speech is complete without hearing Wendy Sherman's reaction to the president's attack on what is the most important work of her life but first for every minute of the speech and I mean every minute there was one person who I kept thinking about one person I kept wanting to hear from and this is the first time that he's actually been number one number one on my list of people to hear from after a State of the Union address and it was because of this tweet that he wrote yesterday Trump has compromised our country's security in a million ways his administration is an ongoing foreign policy garbage fire it reads like what a Michael Moore tweet it's the kind of angry tweet that I see hundreds of everyday written by people who are just speaking from the gut on Twitter people who are not necessarily steeped in policy expertise themselves but just know that what they are seeing is what they would all an ongoing foreign policy garbage fire that is angry stuff not at all surprising for a typical Trump opponent on Twitter but for a United States Senator United States Senator wrote that I've never heard language like that from a senator in all of my years on the Senate floor is a sound staff member and when you know the senator who said this it's all the more surprising because mild mannered respectful that's always applied to this senator who was a member of the House of Representatives during the George W Bush administration and never said that about george w bush's policy he was never pushed to that point where he called it an ongoing foreign policy fire it took the Trump presidency to provoke that kind of rhetoric in this senator that kind of written rage the first time we saw this Center throw off his mild-mannered polite Senate shell was one of the most on was when one of the most unbearable mass murders in America occurred in his state with a legally purchased assault rifle that murdered twenty kindergarten students and first graders and six educators in the school where those educators were trying to save those children's lives the Sandy Hook massacre changed Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy the failure of this body to do anything anything at all in the face of that continued slaughter he isn't just painful to us it's unconscionable I can't tell you how hard it is to look into the eyes of the families of those little boys and girls who were killed in Sandy Hook and tell them that almost four years later we've done nothing nothing at all to reduce the likelihood that that will happen again to another family now because the Democrats control the House of Representatives the House Judiciary Committee held it's first hearing on gun safety issues today first hearing on that in almost 10 years now that's progress but it has been agonizingly slow progress for Senator Chris Murphy Democrats in the House who are now in control of House committees with investigative powers were being chased by reporters today to get their interpretation of the strangest line in the President's speech last night if there is going to be peace and legislation there cannot be war and investigation it just doesn't work that way huh Speaker Nancy Pelosi took that as a threat she told reporters the president should not bring threats to the floor of the house she is quoted in The New York Times saying quote it was an all-out threat here is Adam Schiff the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee which is investigating the president today that's a non-starter we are not going to be intimidated or threatened by the president to withhold any legislative advancement if we do our proper oversight we're going to do our proper oversight here is chairman Elijah Cummings of the Oversight Committee today when he said something to the effect that we are doing and here is chairman Jerry Nadler today's chairman of the House Judiciary Committee the committee that has jurisdiction over the impeachment process to say that we can't do that is to say we shouldn't do our constitutional duty is to ascertain an executive preeminence tomorrow chairman richard neal of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee will hold his first hearings to on ways to obtain president Trump's tax returns and today the House Intelligence Committee voted to deliver all of its certified transcripts of witness testimony before the committee to special prosecutor Robert Muller that includes transcripts that the special counsel in the department have not yet had access to and a great many that they have but have not been allowed to use for particular purposes including in prosecutions for false statement or obstruction or perjury or any they're like offense so the special counsel's office the Department of Justice and its elements will now have access to those transcripts for any purpose which will facilitate justice if the president meant to intimidate Democrats in Congress last night with that strange line saying there cannot be war and investigation it's not working but today's reaction by the House Democrats has given us even more to discuss with the senator who says the Trump administration is an ongoing foreign policy garbage fire and joining us now is Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut senator thank you very much for joining us I really appreciate it and I have to say when I saw your tweet yesterday that is language that is that you don't find of very much of in past usage in the United States Senate but it made me wonder throughout the speech what is Chris Murphy thinking to be to be calling it a this garbage fire and to listen to that speech last night was it what you expected it to be well I listen I I guess I have very low expectations for the speech last night it was maybe milder than I would have thought he didn't frankly move us you know backwards in terms of the ongoing debates we're having about trying to keep the government open and operating but Lawrence I think the reason that I get upset the reason why I used strong language when it comes to both national security and gun violence is that you know our number one responsibility as a government is to pee is to keep people safe from harm and so I get upset when six years after Sandy Hook we haven't done a thing to meaningfully reduce the trajectory of gun violence but I also get upset when this president is making our country less safe and more vulnerable to attack by the way in which he has withdrawn America from the world the way in which he is partnered with murderous dictators like those in the Middle East the way in which he has tried to create this impression that the Christian world is at war with the Muslim world which just feeds terrorist recruitment efforts all over the world so I do think that this administration's foreign policy has been a garbage fire but that's because I think ultimately there's a lot greater likelihood that something really bad is gonna happen to the United States if this president continues to withdraw America from the global stage and set up these dividing lines between himself and people that look different than him I want to go to that strangest line possibly strangest line we've ever heard in the State of the Union address I'm just gonna say these words I'm not sure I know what they mean or what they were intended to mean president said if there is going to be peace and legislation there cannot be war an investigation it just doesn't work that way what was your interpretation of that there were many lines in that speech that I couldn't follow that was certainly one of them it sounded like a threat has sounded as if he was saying that if you proceed with these investigations against me and my administration that I'm not gonna work with you on legislation that is important to the country which is of course unacceptable and untenable the other connection was between I guess the statement about war and the statement about peace there listen I think there's a caution for Democrats when it comes to some parts of Trump's foreign policy Trump is not wrong to oppose these endless wars he's not wrong to try to chart a path forward where we get out of Afghanistan and Syria so Democrats shouldn't reflexively oppose every piece of trumps foreign policy especially when he's trying to bring some of our troops home he's doing it in a backwards way but I do think that there there's there is a a warning here for Democrats to find places on Trump's foreign policy agenda where we can try to refine his instincts so that they are for the betterment of the country well if the president the president seems to be saying there cannot be war and investigation he says it just doesn't work that way that is exactly the way it did work during the Watergate investigation the Vietnam War was still going on and was going on after the investigation was over and after Richard Nixon had resigned the presidency so we have seen that happen and parenthetically there was also legislation going on at that time Congress was able to continue to act as a legislative body while just some members in fact very few members were engaged in the work of the investigative committees of the present well and presidents will often make this argument at any time you are attacking them you are making the country weaker that just isn't true it's never been true it's our responsibility as a congress to do oversight over the executive branch and I would argue both on domestic matters and foreign policy matters just because we're questioning the president's wisdom in foreign policy doesn't mean we're making the country any weaker in fact I think the obligation is going to be on Congress in these coming years to represent the United States abroad if Donald Trump won't so yeah this idea that somehow you're compromising America's national security by standing up to the president domestically has no parallel in US history and is not exactly how the framers imagined the relationship would work sir I want to get your reaction to something the president said today about congressman Adam Schiff president an avid television watcher the most have a television watcher in the history of the presidency pretends not to know who he is let's listen to this he's just a political hack who's trying to build a name for himself and I think that's fine because that's what they do but there would be no reason to do that no other politician has to go through that it's called presidential harassment and it's unfortunate and it really does hurt our country your reaction to that senator well Liz Muller investigation has already returned countless indictments connected to the Trump campaigns connection to Russia during the 2016 election and so we all know that there is significant smoke and possibly some serious fire to the president's involvement in what may have been an attempt to manipulate and steal a US election and so as Democrats we're just doing what we think the country expects of us which is trying to get to the bottom of all of this trying to get to an answer so that the country can come to some conclusion as to what happened in 2016 and frankly what may still be happening now obviously one of our great worries is that some of the most bizarre aspects of the president's foreign policy visa vie Russia and Saudi Arabia can be explained by the president's existing financial ties his family's financial ties to those countries and so we have an obligation to get those questions answered now let me say this I and I think Adam Schiff hope that the answer is not that the president tried to steal the election nor is he making foreign policy decisions based on his family's perspective income so I'm not wishing for the end result of this to be a ándale that dwarfs those that already exist today but we at least have to try to get to a conclusion and get to an answer senator Liu always ask you a personal question what was like for you on the floor last night because when I was working in the Senate I saw Democratic senators on their way to State of the Union addresses by President George HW Bush and then for many more years I saw Republican senators on the way to the State of the Union addresses by President Bill Clinton I never saw an angry senator on their way I saw bored mmm een both parties incredibly bored and thinking how am I gonna fake it getting through this thing to make it look to the audience like I'm interested when I read your anger yesterday and I thought about you making that long walk over there to the House chamber to sit on that floor for what turned out to be an hour and a half of a speech that you were angry about before it was given I just couldn't help wondering what is it like for Senator Chris Murphy to be sitting there and sitting through this we just never had a president who purposefully lies to the nation and uses big stages with all sorts of American pomp and circumstance like the State of the Union to perpetuate these lies and so it makes me so angry about what this president has done to the institution what he has done to some of the most sacred traditions that bind this country together and so I am when I'm on my way to these State of the Union speeches because I worry that we can't recover from this ongoing daily assault on objective truth and when it happens on the most serious platforms the State of the Union speech it sends and even I think more serious signal to the country that are concerned for what it was still remains of truth in this country is is is winnowing away even faster so yeah I am angry listen in the end the speech wasn't as bad as I had expected but I had low expectations going in senator Murphy I have never seen an Irishman manage anger better Senator 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