policymakers and practitioners charged with preventing and countering violent extremism came together in sofia in april to discuss insights needs and closer cooperation share challenges and in particular those related to children were the focus of discussions can you have a system in place system is a very vague word a system for dealing with children affected by extremism we do not have a strategy or a paper which is titled dealing with radicalized children the reason for that is that we believe that we do have the instruments in place that we need to work with those children we do have a structure child protection structure body which is actually the state agency for child protection and agency for social assistance and within this this structure we have we have child protection unit so this is general child protection service but yes we do we use this also in cases of extremism what we do believe is we should raise awareness by people working with children what radicalization could look like who you could contact to help you and what you could probably do yourself what we would suggest you do is not rely on specific counter extremism organizations and want to fix those problems but to be actually able like to equip the the regular institutions such as schools and kindergartens and daycare with the means necessary to establish the dialogue we can't always just come to rescue so to say to fix problems that are in parts inherent within the system itself the problem at least in Austria and in many parts of Europe that those youngster who went to – who are extremists many of them did not grow into an Islamic atmosphere in the Islamic mainstream's they even do not know the mosques and with this make the work very difficult how can we get the trust of those those people we need support it's not work of 30 minutes in Friday speech with 30 prisoners it's a very hard work individually at first at the our work with retinues we have a very very small amount of children who came back to the Netherlands but we have planned that we want to Elif evaluate each and every child not only at the moment of arrival in the Netherlands the year after year because and a child's got a trauma you don't know when it's seen and when its effect in the behavior the development how do you get parents who are themselves extremists to open up to counter extremism counselors for example organizations it's very very hard what we have found in recent years that can be key in order to establish such dialogue is to focus on the well-being of the child and really make that clear to the parents that if they continue educating a child children this way and their children continue to mimic certain phrases actions that will have social repercussions regarding children