welcome to the real news network I'm Marc Steiner great to have you all with us war has erupted in the Israeli political world this time it's not between the right of the left or between Israelis and Palestinians but between right-wing secularists and right-wing religious fundamentalists it's an explosive implosion within the Netanyahu coalition that led to Netanyahu at not being able to form a government and forcing a new election now scheduled for this September it raises the level of complexity Netanyahu could be forced out if he's indicted before the election the Jared Kushner peace plan if you can call it that may never see the light of day the right wing of hardline cyclists are in a heightened war with religious parties because of ladders youth not having to serve in the armed forces and oh let me not forget to mention that's in Yahoo's last minute racist and to bring an Ethiopian Jewish Knesset member into the government from the other major party that failed and one of the implications for Netanyahu's failure to for the first time in Israeli history to be able to form a government well delve into all that and more with lia tarachansky who is a journalist filmmaker founder of narrative productions and former Middle East correspondent for the real news who also made the documentary on the side of the road what the real news Leah good to have you back with us thanks for having me mark so let's begin with this piece to show everybody and you which is from both Netanyahu when he talks about his his saying that what happened with Lieberman and Sherman Lieberman said first we'll watch this creation II obviously she when the military draft bill passes during the second and third reading in its original form same as it did with the first we are done I think this is the difference between forming a government and going to an early election my small it is just unbelievable just unbelievable avec door Lieberman is now part of the left he is from the left's blocked you give him votes for the right and he doesn't give his vote to the right-wing government this is what we see so I think is now on the left this is the man who didn't think that that battle was extreme enough in Gaza so so what's really going on here what's this battle these two right-wing fundamentalist political the real battle is not between Avigdor Lieberman and Netanyahu I just wanted to add a little caveat that I think that there is something incredibly telling about the situation in Israel today that in order to disqualify somebody as a politician a human being or a legitimate member of the public you call them a leftist right it's a slur word a lot it's it's a it's a word that essentially means someone who is trying to put a wrench in the Machine of what needs to happen for the world to function someone is an ideologue without any political or real-world experience and no real intentions of any kind that's roughly what the Left means in the best case scenario in the Israeli discourse and in the worst case scenario it means a traitor so you often hear people who are pro piece called leftists and traders interchangeably leftist or Arab lovers interchangeably and it's assumed that all the Palestinian citizens of Israel and the Palestinian parties are also small or left according to that discourse which is ironic because there's as well I'd oppose a political spectrum on the Palestinian street as there is on the Israeli street but in general being leftist means that you are with the enemy that's kind of the language that has now become commonplace in Israel so I wanted to make note of that I also wanted to make note of the way that this whole 24 hours has played out if you watch the last hours in the Israeli press it was kind of like down to the minute is he isn't he are we going to have a coalition is is he going to turn the you know kick the ball back to the president women live lean and and give the next guy a chance right because in the election in April both the so-called lefty Party under general guns and Netanyahu's party got the same votes it was the president who decided to let Netanyahu form a coalition even though again they formed the same boats they got the same votes and the reason the president took that decision was because it was assumed that Netanyahu would have a better chance of making a coalition because so much of the Israeli Parliament is right-wing is ideologically whether religiously or circularly right-wing and now that we've seen Netanyahu is drawn that down to the last minute having already arrogantly assumed that he's going to succeed to form a coalition and having assumed that that Coalition is going to stand behind him against the charges that he is facing so these assumptions have kicked back forming a coalition to the last minute and the Israeli press have been covering this struggle to form a coalition and what is he giving to this party and what is he giving to that party until the last minute where instead of kicking the ball back to the president and letting guns try and form a coalition and lead the country Netanyahu called for an emergency vote to dismantle the Knesset altogether and have new elections in September which is also has a couple of other implications as well so let me I want you to describe those Malik Asians are I mean I want to explore for a moment what do you think it means the split means between lieberman's group and the and the Orthodox groups the fundamentalist parties in Israel and if there's always been this battle in Israel between the secularists and people who are religious there's always gonna have this divide especially around not serving in the Armed Forces which the religious Jews don't have to do so and so the Supreme Court came to a decision they were supposed to change that on some level so what's behind this split what's the reality of it and what do you think it means for the long term for the right-wing coalition's in Israel again I think that the whole debate between secular and religious is a distraction I think that the site between Lieberman and the United Torah parties is as a distraction from the main point they're trying to make this seem as though this is a principled fight over the the principle of having or Orthodox or religious men serve in the Israeli army which is an exception that has been in place since the state's creation Orthodox Jewish men are the only Jewish men who don't have to serve in the Israeli army the law as it was on the table at this point was so watered down that were Orthodox were in to pass hmm we're talking about a few hundred Orthodox boys having to serve in the army it was not about the principle of the thing it was a distraction and that the real fight here has been about the fact that in recent weeks we have seen a growing opposition to Netanyahu with thousands and tens of thousands of people on the streets of Tel Aviv and other cities we've seen the fight the political fight between Lieberman and Netanyahu weakened Lieberman significantly and Liber man once again becoming the kingmaker while having been elected with a handful of votes in a party that on the grand scheme of things would have been unimportant in the political struggle there's only five seats in the Knesset that's right making itself the kingmaker and toppling that enya was attempt to form a coalition what this is is Navid or Lieberman seeing an opportunity a political opportunity and jumping on it you also have to remember that the same day that the attempt achill to form a coalition collapsed in Israel yesterday Kushner landed in Tel Aviv on his attempt to now bring the the Trump administration's so-called peace plan into the Middle East in talks that are said to take place in Buckland very soon so all of this has locations for a big door Lieberman because he is fundamentally opposed to any peace agreement that compromises land in exchange for peace so there are few things you raised here I kind of want to explore them well one one has to do with the the the piece look at this peace deal that they have which to me is not much of a peace deal it really has sort of more to do with Palestinian capitulation and throwing out dribs and drabs it will give you some economic aid and help you build an economy that has been the practice the reality on the ground since the Oslo Accords the Trump administration is just making it official for the first time they're actually putting the words next to the actions that the Americans and Israelis have been taking so there's nothing new about this deal this is what the Israelis have been doing all along so when the American press makes a huge deal of this that the crucial plan can be killed dead on arrival because of these because of what's happening in the government having to have a new election and falling apart you don't put much credence to that you think this is just smoke and mirrors I don't think the Kushner plan makes much difference to what happens on the ground if you look at what has been happening the concrete things that have been happening over the last 25 years what you will see is what we are now talking about what Netanyahu claims will be his new political move under the Trump agreement which is annexation of area C's and B's and pushing the Palestinian population into area a total Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank and the so-called end of the temporary permanent occupation that is what has been happening on the ground Netanyahu is just putting a name to it and Trump is jumping on board because if Israel actually applies sovereignty over the West Bank and hands off Gaza the Gaza Strip to the Egyptians then the conflict as we know it will end it will now become a completely different conflict and the Israelis and the Americans will claim that they actually have ended the conflict so seeing here is having der Lieberman seeing an opportunity and jumping on it and unfortunately very very successfully the other side of card of course is the guns the person who was supposed to have been given the chance then I'll form a coalition by the president the person who won the same number of votes as Netanyahu she's not jumping on this opportunity basically not doing anything calling for a big protest until Aviv which was you know a bunch of people who agree with each other reading speech that's the only thing he's done so what he has demonstrated is that if he was given the opportunity to run the country he would have been a vanilla non-existent leader which is what we've seen in this entire crisis so with Netanyahu's wife she pled guilty in a sense today and as a result of all of this I mean does that say that the Netanyahu's are really worried about what could happen in terms of the indictment what could happen in terms if his leadership the coalition that this was a way for her to kind of make sure the main thing does happen she doesn't go to jail I mean or however that would run out I mean what do you think that means I think the Netanyahu family both Netanyahu the senior the Netanyahu Benjamin Netanyahu's brother Yonatan who died in the operation Entebbe Bibi Netanyahu and his sons see themselves as a kind of dynasty in the Israeli politics the Prime Minister's father was instrumental in the foundation of the State of Israel and was one of its most consistent ideologues arguing for the ethnic cleansing of all non-jews from Israel his son was killed in an operation in Africa trying to save kidnapped Israelis and his other son has been Prime Minister in Israel for ten years having been you know now in the middle of all of these both political and criminal crises so what Netanyahu has been doing first of all is making sure that as soon as the election in April had taken place he would have all of the steps that he needs ready to push what was supposed to be his fur hearing in June to as far back as possible and he succeeded to move it to early October so that was his first move and that's what he's been throwing all of his energy at is been basically interrogating his own party to make sure that all of his own party will support this clear abortion of justice and he succeeded he managed to push his appearance to court to October which is why the elections are these digits are called for September and of course if he wins again he will then push that back and back and back and back the other thing he's been doing is priming his son for politics both his sons are kind of rin notorious and the Israeli press for being a job Nick's being I don't know how you say it in English men who have no accomplishments Bibi Netanyahu has been essentially cleaning up their reputations and prepping them as much as he can for politics trying to shove his son the way Trump has been shoving Kushner into the camera into the public sphere and trying to make a case for this person becoming the next natural leader so we have seen that even Netanyahu as like even if Netanyahu will one day not be Prime Minister he is trying to continue the Netanyahu dynasty so saara Netanyahu pleading as she did today is just one of those long you can call them long term game so in the brief time we have left here Leah I'm so what do you think this will mean I mean in terms of Israeli politics which is shifted further and further right over the decades I mean what will this actually mean between now and September and in the future will it change anything does this really mean anything fundamental besides the fact historically it's the first time that a Prime Minister that's tell me I like that yahoo has I've been able to form a government in Israel after an election what what does it really mean what it really means I can't tell you because I can't read the future and we've seen in Israeli politics scream that whenever someone says things are going like this right now and it's like that therefore they will go like that they have been proven wrong but we'll say is again I'm paying attention to the way that this whole thing played out right so the Israeli press whether truthfully or misleadingly have been playing this scenario where they seem to have bought into the idea that until the very last minute Netanyahu was genuinely trying to form a coalition so that's one thing I'm paying attention to because if they have been pushing it they've been pushing it very convincingly which means that either it is true or they have bought into the idea that it is true so that's one thing I'm paying attention to I'm not entirely convinced that Netanyahu was intending on building a coalition even though he was furious quote-unquote when he feel netanyahu is a remarkable actor and you can see that in a documentary that recently came out called King Bibi is incredibly good at putting on a show when the the Knesset came out of the boat to dismantle itself and call for elections there were a number of politicians that were being interviewed in the Israeli press but you have to remember that at that point it's 12:30 at night so if people are watching these are the kinds of people who really care about the Israeli political landscape is there not your average citizen great that's to those people the politicians are playing a particular role guns again you can write him off I mean he was as vanilla and non concrete as guns gets Netanyahu has spent his little time in the time in the limelight personally attacking Lieberman and if you look at the Netanyahu Lieberman relationship they have been in government together in the cabinet together for many years Lieberman has had ministerial roles from in national infrastructure to defense and they have been on an up and down kind of relationship mostly down with mostly Netanyahu attacking Lieberman the the height of that was last night when he came out of that vote and basically personally attacked Lieberman calling him again the worst word you can call someone in the Israeli political left they a leftist which of course Lieberman is anything but lieberman is the original political troll any opportunity possible to say the most ridiculous racist misogynist things possible to get media press that's who lieberman is and underneath that he has consistently held all trite positions so calling him a leftist is just a personal attack then lieberman comes out of that same boat and what does he do he doesn't attack at any i hope personally lieberman takes his time in the limelight to talk about the Likud Party and how unfortunate it is that after so many attempts the Likud Party was not able to form a coalition so he he meticulously watches his words which is not what Lieberman is known for doing and does not attack Netanyahu personally which tells me that Lieberman again here is playing the long game he knows that the election is coming he knows that he needs to now seem as the reasonable middle between the so called God's followers who have no real political unity no real position and no platform and the hard right that supports Netanyahu so already ten minutes after the vote takes place Lieberman is positioning himself in the next election and trying to position himself as the reasonable moderate right prompting the renowned Israeli journalist you don't let me to write an op-ed in Alex today saying before you go voting for Lieberman please try to remember who he is the fact that you don't love has to even say that says mountains about the way that the media has played this and the way that the politicians have been playing the media in this entire so-called crisis well lia tarachansky I really appreciate you parsing reality here for us it's really really interesting I think we learned a lot I appreciate your work and preciate you taking the time today thank you so much thanks for having me mark and I'm Marc Steiner here for the real news network thank you all for joining us take care