they're joining today's webinar regarding a forthcoming solicitation on fostering natural gas sector climate resilience hi I'm Susan Wilhelm and team lead for energy related environmental research and we are really looking forward to getting your perspective so early in the solicitation development process through this webinar and through the public comment period that will run over one week period I'll give you plenty of instruction about that but in the meantime just a few words about logistics first of all this this webinar will be recorded and we will post it at the same place that the agenda and notice of webinars posted within about three business days and secondly if we're going to hold questions to the end but if you have questions like I can't hear the presenter or that sort of thing please use the Q&A function on WebEx for that and the host will endeavor to answer so I'd like to start off just by letting you know why we're seeking your input today we anticipate release of a substantial grant funding opportunity that's all to support research related to climate resilience in the natural gas sector we want input from stakeholders who can help us focus the opportunity on research goals where our funds can have the most impact and ideally we are also hoping to coordinate more closely with investor owned utilities okay the specific objectives of today's webinar are to get your input on the goals and focus of a forthcoming grant funding opportunity again this is a great opportunity for you to help shape the research that the Energy Commission supports the second goal is to provide investor owned utilities with a reminder in an overview of mechanisms through which they can collaborate in our research process and we also will invite them to let us know how they would prefer to be involved with this specific solicitation so the opportunity that is under discussion today is guided by the natural gas research and development program plan for fiscal year 2018 2019 it's available in its full glory at the link that you see here and this is part of a public interest energy research program the targets research development and demonstration that and I quote is not adequately provided for by competitive and regulated energy markets the specific research that we will discuss today will provide benefits to natural gas ratepayers by enhancing the foundation for improved adaptation planning and practice and California's natural gas sector so we're going to want your input during the discussion or public comment period or both regarding the for research items you see here as well as a few others I will show in the following slide so I'm just going to briefly describe these first off is development of metrics to assess and track progress in natural gas sector resilience and this topic came up in multiple workshops in 2017 another possible focus would be identifying precisely what climate and weather-related scenarios are most important for stress testing the natural gas system this of course will require knowledge of operations and infrastructure to identify what elements are most crucial and what scenarios would be most important for testing their vulnerabilities the third item that you see here would supports utilities efforts to consider costs and benefits the resilience strategies under deep uncertainty about what the future holds climate wise this topic should also consider the context of California's climate and energy related goals and its rapidly evolving energy systems ultimately work in this area might support integration about outpatient investments into general rate cases and final bullet here reflects an item that stakeholders encouraged in discussions throughout 2017 about how to make our research more actionable and we were encouraged by investor owned utilities and others to consider case studies that speak directly to their needs so this is just an indication of a broad area where we would need input from investor owned utilities or other stakeholders to identify specific case studies that merit investigation okay so just to step back our funding plan indicates that our solicitation could support some or all of these areas named on the slide or it can support other research goals identified collaboratively the next four slides put a few other collaboratively identified research goals out there for you to comment on after that we'll move into mechanisms for iru participation and open the floor for discussion I will pause here just to see if there are any questions at this point you as anything come up from the Q&A box now I think people holding up into that okay great we have no media audience great okay so one possible focus of research emerged from California's fourth climate change assessment through research that was led by dr. Benjamin Brooks of the United States Geological Survey Brooks undertook a field campaign in the sacramento-san Joaquin Delta that Maps levee subside entrusted in a detail in space and time the results of this work show both significant rates of subside ins and local radiance and those rates which made stress pipelines we would be eager to hear from IO use and other stakeholders as to whether additional research building on those results might help them identify prioritize monitor and build resilience against pipeline specific stresses associated with sub-sites in the Delta behind door number two we have improved understanding of floods droughts and atmospheric rivers which may also help support planning for natural gas sector resilience understanding uncertainty related to projections of extreme precipitation could help clarify risks related to drought as well as atmospheric River events and projected changes in how atmospheric rivers will affect California may also be of interest as climate changes we may also be subject to changes in risks related to compound events and cascading events such as those that led to the catastrophic debris flows in Santa Barbara and January of 2018 research in this area could involve methodologies to evaluate changing risks of interdependent events that can have devastating effects to the natural gas system and the people who depend on it the final slide related to research gaps grows out of ongoing research that's led by UC San Diego and supported by the Energy Commission to develop a methodology for improved downscaling of global climate models this hybrid methodology will be ready to apply to the next generation of global climate model projections or seem at six in 2020 however we do need an improved historical data set to train the methodology and on a related note analysis of sub daily historical observed precipitation data may help us understand changes in extreme precipitation that are not currently resolved by available climate projections for California so before I open the floor for discussion on these research gaps or on other gaps that you might feel are important I do want to say a few words about mechanisms for collaboration with investor-owned utilities public engagement of investor owned utilities can happen through today's webinar it can happen through submission of public comments to the docket by next Wednesday May 29th and full instructions about are available in just a minute but what I want to reiterate here is that public engagement does not limit investor owned utilities eligibility to apply for grants or partner with applicants as some contractors you can participate freely through public channels now an army green I have the other channel which is non-public internal conversations that could enable investor owned utilities to be involved with scoping solicitations or reviewing proposals this would require IO use to submit non-disclosure agreements and to forfeit eligibility to apply for grants that they are involved with IR use that would like to pursue this channel of engagement should let us know by May 29th 2019 to keep release of our solicitation on track we would want to hold internal discussions by the end of June or the first week of July I would like to pause on this slide before I open the floor welcome are there any pressing questions related to to this because this actually is among our discussion questions you see anything in the Q&A box I will give a maybe a minute – for people to type and it's not your last call so folks if it's it's not burning you can let it wait for a minute okay I got a one question from Nara see I'm probably poor training apologize he says you mentioned a research gaps related to effects of various natural event on pipeline there also a research gap related to method to improve receiving sorry methods to improve what they're also research gap related to method to improve resilience yes I mean I think broadly strategies I mean financial strategies specific infrastructure operational investments lots of gaps with regard to improving resilience and all of those would be fair game for for this funding as long as they are targeting improving resilience of California's natural gas sector so with that I think I will move on to our discussion questions these are probably familiar from the notice of staff webinar but I'd like to start with the first one which of the proposed research gaps that I discussed thus far our highest priorities and for those of you who didn't remember all 10 of them I have listed them here to jog your memory so I'd like to open the floor for comments and reactions to these research gaps if there's anything that you feel like is super important we we really want to hear it if you think we should refine something slightly we want to hear that I have a few questions already queue up um so I'm you people so they can you think yeah yeah I think I would do that I do that so there's more discussion thank you yeah yeah um first is uh Rob okay Rob you on the line Oh in Rob I'll ask you to set a cellar example by I do introduce yourself in your institution thanks Susan it okay with ICF it was actually a question and the mechanical questions of the previous slide I'm afraid it was actually just to dig a little bit of the pros and cons for I use to choose those two channels their engagement yes I'm so are you wanting me to elaborate on the person concert view out comments yeah if you know if you could elaborate something rather I see it less as a pros and cons and more as finding the right to them on the fence I mean there's not inherently a column to a size 8 shoe but if it doesn't fit you it's not good so I would say if if I OU's have a lot of interest in working with us directly to refine our solicitation concept in a way that they feel is very actionable and the dress is very important issues they would need to pursue what I will call the army green roots the non public internal conversations if I owe you feel like they can express what they need to express to us through submission of public comment I would tend to consider that an excellent fit because it does not require them to go through the logistics of signing in Das and it in no way excludes them from partnering with applicants or impact applying themselves so it's really a matter of how how closely the IOUs would like to engage they can submit public calm freely and that link in a great detail and not not require any additional logistics or any exclusion of eligibility to apply can also click follow yeah okay so that was really helpful um if if NIU goes down army green door number two rash and chooses to work with you in scoping out for the station in detail does that would that then exclude them from then working with research partners who have been granted money through some form of NDA or some sort of processes that they could engage in the research once it's being issued or is that a hard exclusion so they would certainly be able to engage as through a Technical Advisory Committee but they could not engage as a recipient of grant funds right on it it would be a conflict of interest for them to receive funding but no problem with them sharing expertise through for example an advisory to me Donna thank you thank you okay okay next question next question is from Matt Gregory Matt I'm going to put you I'm going to mute you and you are on the line great this is Matt Grigory with SoCalGas I think Susan answered my question but basically about partnering after proposed awards have been issued great if if there are some nuance that I haven't answered you can either articulate it now or send it on through written comments and we would we would find a channel to to clarify that no I think I got I think I got the answers we can we can work through the details later on okay McKenna thank you okay next we have Roman does zoom back I sorry probably didn't pronounce name correctly Roman you are on hello yeah you are correct my question was I think most of the most of the studies the risks here related to like some sort of technical assessment and impact of direct effect of climate change the question was from economic risks and carbon pricing mechanisms so say scenario work carbon pricing cause reduction in mutual gas consumption and that way effects economics all operators without the area of study and would that be an interest to look at how to how to help operators to improve the economics and prepare for the future historically we haven't considered carbon pricing risks or economic pressures associated with mitigation strategies among climate resilience we would welcome disaster perhaps through written public comment if you feel that resilience – I guess I'll call it carbon risks or policy risk is of interest that that historic window is not and what we consider as climate resilience applause I think certainly that might have yeah I'll stop there but we would really welcome written comment on that if I think clearly a tremendously important area thank you okay next question is from command ahem-hem defer time before one second okay okay hi man you are on good afternoon Susan thank you for the presentation I just wanted to answer the question that you're showing right now my innovation manager at Accenture and my research back in the day was on the subject of risk assessment for critical infrastructure in Sacramento Delta alt of this the list of a2i what I see is majority of them are looking at the assessment part of the resiliency and risk assessment part of Italy the exception of item number D which is a case study I personally think that after all of these years of assessment in this phase if you mor look at a case study that the indicate and methodology a solution that improve the resiliency of the gas infrastructure would have some sort of attraction in the public rather another round of assessment on the same subject improvement make it more granule um that's just you know since the question is which one has the most high or highest priority here I would I would think item number D that focus on some sort of the resilience improvement solution or two might have the highest priority here thank you that's very helpful I think C and E get added a little bit but your point is well-taken and noted so thank you okay ah next question from Nate Nathan Benson one second Nathan you are on the line Nathan okay not sure why Nathan was not able to not for why we can here Nathan I'm going to go ahead Nathan Oh her coming I'm going to go ahead and read the renascence question Nathan's question is more of a comment a number of those topics then valuable to infrastructure owners beyond the natural gas system so that's just a comment and Matt Gregory again and he said he has a comment on question Matt come on Matt you're all thanks yeah I just wanted to comment on this question it looks like you're looking to prioritize some of these and I personally come from a plant operations background and in plant operations typically you know you don't you can't improve what you don't measure and so I think item a where we're looking at metrics to understand system resilience is probably a pretty high priority to start establishing where we are and where we need to improve and measuring how we are improving by going through the additional research questions and I think it'd be particularly salient to understand resilience relative to the electric grid and how the out the entire California energy economy how we measure resilience for that entire space that's all thanks thank you Matt do we notice I do not see any more questions but perhaps we give it a more minutes because I know sometimes people type questions ah here we go um so Rob Kay has a full up question Rob you're on the line yeah thank you it was a follow-up question to the last questioner mentioned looking at electricity systems in a sort of relative sense – gasps – just pick at that I'm working on the assumption that because of the funding mechanism here in the target on gas utilities that it is focused purely on gas or is that not in the case I think so definitely this research target natural gas sector ratepayers in California but the larger context of California's energy system I think the researchers need not have their head in the sand about that but absolutely the focus would need to be for example if we went into item a the focus would be metrics for natural gas system resilience I don't think that it could be within scope to than natural gas right there's money on on developing metrics for the electricity sector I hope that answers your question the extent that the context is important for the natural gas metrics that's that's fair game but we can't be funding we can't be diverting funds from from natural gas ratepayers to electric sector ends while there's a pause and the question actually I'll go ahead and open the floor for the other four questions namely we'd like you to weigh in on important research gaps that we haven't discussed yet specific suggestions on research focus or scope related to gaps that we have or haven't discussed involve my my own use and any other considerations we should incorporate into the solicitation to foster well-designed and high-impact research so Matt Gregory has a comment of on question number two and Matt you're on Thanks so for question two I'm thinking it looks like the proposed research topics are focused within state for weather phenomena occurring in California I think there is some research that could be done around supply resiliency I think in California we import the vast majority of our natural gas and we're at the end of the line for a lot of those supplies and weather phenomenon the East Coast storms in the Gulf Coast all of those are subject to climate change and have an impact on natural gas availability within California so we may want to consider increasing supply resiliency through in-state production and quantifying the benefit of that under increased risk of supply disruption with increasing climate change impacts outside of the state got it though they're looking beyond our borders to get a sense of our climate related vulnerabilities on the supply side and options for reducing this absolutely and also looking at technologies to improve in-state supplies of renewable fuel so my work is primarily around renewable natural gas renewable hydrogen power to gas so how can we use these technologies to improve in-state supply and reduce the risk associated with supply disruptions outside of the state got it thank you thank you any other questions or comments I will move forward to the next slide but give people one more option so if you're thinking about asking a question this is your next to last call my closing slide is just to thank you all for attending I really appreciate the participation I anticipate that our group will be doing a lot more outreach to engage stakeholders early in the process so please do feel encouraged to submit public comment you can submit public comments through end of the day next Wednesday May 29th and your instructions are bulleted here you can submit them electronically to the research idea exchange the docket number is 19 ERD do one but this link will take you straight to it or you can email the docket unit and if you do email I leave the notice of staff webinar kindly asks you to indicate in the subject line that you're commenting about this webinar on fostering climate resilience in the natural gas sector you will find the notice of the webinar the presentation that presented today and within a few days the WebEx recording at at this link and before I sign off I just want to ask you if anyone else just typed up with questions or comments no we don't have any additional questions great well I want to thank everyone really appreciate your feedback we'll be reflecting on it and hoping to get a bit more over the next week so thank you very much